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]]> By: Ryan A. Hendrickson http://angelo.dinardi.name/2007/06/18/gentoo-ubuntu-mac/comment-page-1/#comment-6 Ryan A. Hendrickson Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:29:45 +0000 http://angelo.dinardi.name/2007/06/18/gentoo-ubuntu-mac/#comment-6 "It “just worked”." Where has the world gone to when people want things just to work, instead of wanting to know how and why it works. Half of the linux enterprise could be wipped off the face of the planet by a distro that "just works." Whatever happened to efficiency and customization in an install? I challenge that we do not bow to those who are pushing their Microsofty advertising campaign of a desktop for every user without any setup or configuration. The suggestion of a singular computer without setup. Ugg.. Upon us is the breadth of ubuntoo where there is not configuration process. Where we used to fight to rid ourselves of Microsoft and enjoyed the systems configuration, we find ourselves returning the Microsoft attitude which made bill gates millions. Oh yea, that was the apple attitude too, they just couldn't take the market. Perhaps in the years to come. “It “just worked”.” Where has the world gone to when people want things just to work, instead of wanting to know how and why it works. Half of the linux enterprise could be wipped off the face of the planet by a distro that “just works.” Whatever happened to efficiency and customization in an install? I challenge that we do not bow to those who are pushing their Microsofty advertising campaign of a desktop for every user without any setup or configuration. The suggestion of a singular computer without setup. Ugg.. Upon us is the breadth of ubuntoo where there is not configuration process. Where we used to fight to rid ourselves of Microsoft and enjoyed the systems configuration, we find ourselves returning the Microsoft attitude which made bill gates millions. Oh yea, that was the apple attitude too, they just couldn’t take the market. Perhaps in the years to come.

]]> By: Chris Lauretano http://angelo.dinardi.name/2007/06/18/gentoo-ubuntu-mac/comment-page-1/#comment-5 Chris Lauretano Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:17:03 +0000 http://angelo.dinardi.name/2007/06/18/gentoo-ubuntu-mac/#comment-5 +1 to the Mac OS. When I got my Mac mini, I stopped using my desktop and largely stopped using my ThinkPad other than for strictly-mobile things. It was the slowest computer I had, slower than my web server even. The neatness, the integration.. the whole thing was just so polished, and not in the 'ooh shiny aqua interface' way. Linux has definitely made huge leaps and bounds, but most distros are still far behind windows in terms of ease of use. I feel your pain talking about spending hours just getting wireless set up. Whenever I'm on a new linux install on one of my laptops (I cycle through about 6 of my laptops depending on what mood I'm in.. they all run Arch Linux), I usually don't get wireless up and running for about a week. I'd blame whoever set up the wireless network at the house as WPA2-AES, but that would be me :). I still like to run Linux on everything just because it's a nice hobby. It works well once you get everything set up how you like it, it's just that the 'getting it set up' process can take days (even on Arch Linux where the packages are binary) of staring at sessions of VI editing various config files to get things working, vs. the 30 or so minutes it takes with Windows to get things situated with all your hardware drivers. The other really good reason for running Linux is because you can't just buy OS X and run it on your PC, even though Macs are the same hardware architecture (the Core 2 duo latitude D630 I've been using lately might as well be a MacBook Pro with an nvidia quadro card). Apple has their reasons for locking their software to their hardware, but gosh I wish I could convince them otherwise. I don't want their hardware, I'd like to be able to use my existing hardware or new hardware of my choosing (I'd rather not deal with flimsy, scratch-prone Apple hardware, no matter how beautifully minimalistic it might be). Networkmanager is friggin awesome though. After using the Arch Linux networking scripts (ncurses interface) for the past year or so, I finally gave it a try a couple weeks ago and haven't looked back. I think the biggest thing holding back many people using Linux is the lack of a monopoly, honestly. Just yesterday when I decided to try out Kiba dock as an OS X ish dock to replace my XFCE bar (see my new blog post about doing the same on one of my testing machines at work), the pesky problem of too many choices reared it's ugly head again. I have the built-in XFCE compositor turned on, and also have my xorg.conf set up to enable the Nvidia hardware compositor support. That wasn't enough. I needed Compiz and/or Beryl. Ok, simple enough I thought. Well, to use either of those you need AIGLX (seems to only be ATI/Intel compatible) or XGL. Compiz works with AIGLX or XGL, Beryl only works with XGL (I think). So many different combinations of X server + compositor + login manager + dm + wm exist, it's hard to wrap your head around it. Ubuntu works for people because it attempts to eliminate that. Zenwalk does an even better job, having no overlapping packages in their repositories. The company that does the best job of it is Apple. Not only do they tell you which software you are going to use for various tasks (by preinstalling many important apps and having demos for other software they make just in case), they lock you into buying their hardware to run it on. No drivers, no choices.. it just works! Apple tells you the right way, and everyone just submits to them. Angelo, are you a socialist? :P +1 to the Mac OS. When I got my Mac mini, I stopped using my desktop and largely stopped using my ThinkPad other than for strictly-mobile things. It was the slowest computer I had, slower than my web server even. The neatness, the integration.. the whole thing was just so polished, and not in the ‘ooh shiny aqua interface’ way. Linux has definitely made huge leaps and bounds, but most distros are still far behind windows in terms of ease of use. I feel your pain talking about spending hours just getting wireless set up. Whenever I’m on a new linux install on one of my laptops (I cycle through about 6 of my laptops depending on what mood I’m in.. they all run Arch Linux), I usually don’t get wireless up and running for about a week. I’d blame whoever set up the wireless network at the house as WPA2-AES, but that would be me :) .

I still like to run Linux on everything just because it’s a nice hobby. It works well once you get everything set up how you like it, it’s just that the ‘getting it set up’ process can take days (even on Arch Linux where the packages are binary) of staring at sessions of VI editing various config files to get things working, vs. the 30 or so minutes it takes with Windows to get things situated with all your hardware drivers. The other really good reason for running Linux is because you can’t just buy OS X and run it on your PC, even though Macs are the same hardware architecture (the Core 2 duo latitude D630 I’ve been using lately might as well be a MacBook Pro with an nvidia quadro card). Apple has their reasons for locking their software to their hardware, but gosh I wish I could convince them otherwise. I don’t want their hardware, I’d like to be able to use my existing hardware or new hardware of my choosing (I’d rather not deal with flimsy, scratch-prone Apple hardware, no matter how beautifully minimalistic it might be).

Networkmanager is friggin awesome though. After using the Arch Linux networking scripts (ncurses interface) for the past year or so, I finally gave it a try a couple weeks ago and haven’t looked back.

I think the biggest thing holding back many people using Linux is the lack of a monopoly, honestly. Just yesterday when I decided to try out Kiba dock as an OS X ish dock to replace my XFCE bar (see my new blog post about doing the same on one of my testing machines at work), the pesky problem of too many choices reared it’s ugly head again. I have the built-in XFCE compositor turned on, and also have my xorg.conf set up to enable the Nvidia hardware compositor support. That wasn’t enough. I needed Compiz and/or Beryl. Ok, simple enough I thought. Well, to use either of those you need AIGLX (seems to only be ATI/Intel compatible) or XGL. Compiz works with AIGLX or XGL, Beryl only works with XGL (I think). So many different combinations of X server + compositor + login manager + dm + wm exist, it’s hard to wrap your head around it. Ubuntu works for people because it attempts to eliminate that. Zenwalk does an even better job, having no overlapping packages in their repositories. The company that does the best job of it is Apple. Not only do they tell you which software you are going to use for various tasks (by preinstalling many important apps and having demos for other software they make just in case), they lock you into buying their hardware to run it on. No drivers, no choices.. it just works! Apple tells you the right way, and everyone just submits to them.

Angelo, are you a socialist? :P

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